Alhamdulillah, all praise be to Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most merciful.
Today, I got a chance to attend a debate between two great people, with undoubtedly abundant knowledge.
It was a debate between
Mr. Hamza Andreas Tzortzis. *click to see his blog*
(He is a senior researcher and lecturer for iERA. He has participated in debates both at home and internationally with leading academics and intellectuals. Hamza delivers lectures across the world to articulate and shed indispensable light on Islam and its way of life.)
and Mr. Rick Lewis
(he is the founder and editor of Philosophy Now, and thereby one of the main initiators of the popular philosophy movement in the English speaking world.)
It was indeed a very interesting session, which mostly talk about the definition of good deeds, who draws the line between good and evil etc.
It all starts with Mr Hamza making his opening speech, where he underlines 2 main points, which is
1.God make sense to the explanation of the origin of life
2.God make sense to the explanation og the fine tuning of life.
Infinity, a word which means no beginning nor ending, is according to him non-existence in this life. He starts off by giving an analogy to negate this fact, in order to show people that everything starts off with something.
He said,
''If I have an infinite number of bananas, and I give someone 2 bananas, what is the remaining bananas that I still have?''
"yeah, it doesn't make sense doesn't it? It only bananas to you right?"
and the hall broke into laughter.
Then he starts explaining the Big Bang Theory, which he claims to be VERY VERY magical, because of its rareness.
The probability of it happening is so low, that it must not happen by its own, there must be 'Someone' who make it happen.
Even according to him, a lot of scientist(he gave about 4-5 names really, but I can't remember any. lol~) said that even if the expansion rate of the matter after the Big Bang differ by 1/(10^10), (which really really small), the world will collapse and the living intelligent on this world will not exist.
Then there's lot of other points, (where I couldn't remember~~:p )
He did say things about everything must have its own purpose, causes etc.
Then it was Rick's turn.
He started off by questioning the definition of the word GOD itself.
It was indeed true what he said, where the definition of GOD is indeed very wide.
Sometimes, people believe that the nature itself as 'god'.
Then he starts questioning about the nature of God, what is HE like, what etc.
He even included the 'problem of evil.'
He also said something about
''I haven't found anything that cannot be described without believing in god''
*maksudnya, suma benda boleh explain even kalo kita tak kait kan dengan tuhan.*
and then he argued *this one aku tak berapa paham*
about the purpose of God creating the world.
He said, before the Big Bang Theory, there is no time.
*the definition of time: starts AFTER big bang.*
hence there should not be a ''cause'' for making the world, because causes must be followed by effects, which must be related to time."
But he DO have one very good point.
*he approximately said this one.*
Things right now as it happened, though the probability of it happening is mightily low, means that other events also can happen, no matter how low the probability is.
I mean the Earth, even by the slightest difference, might cause the human not compatible to live in it. But we never know, if the difference might suit other living organism.
Then they will say how precise 'god' is, though the fact it all happen randomly.
Then we all proceed to the Q&A session, where there is lots of hands raised to ask.
Here where it gets a lil' bit better I mean, only here I heard what I want to hear, because throughout the debate, both speakers never actually face-to-face with each other.
One person says about 1+1=2, the other said 5+2=7.
There was no direct contact really.
They were just arguing about definitions, epistemological, and then some other weird ''philosophical'' words.
No direct engagement with the content.
but during the Q&A, people asks, and then only it starts to be a bit exciting.
someone asked about islam, qoran etc.
someone else questions about atheism, etc.
then there were even an old lady who express her opinion about religion brings wars etc.
then there's a christian who wanted Mr Hamza to comment on the book of revelation etc.
all in all, the experience was amazing.
HOWEVER, there is something that I found uncomfortable though.
Its the fact that when it comes to talks as such, there will be A LOT of muslems, and we are the majority.
BUT that doesn't make us better.
I mean, a lot of people were giving gestures and scary look when Mr Rick talks.
I believe NO ONE can give a good talk when he is surrounded as such.
and then when there's this man claiming ''I am a christian, and I wanna......"
suddenly the crowd makes an uncomfortable sound.
WHAT IS THIS eh?
Fine we all believe in Allah, Alhamdulillah.
But WHY MUST WE sort of ''hate'' other people?
If they don't believe in what we do, stop hating them as such!
I mean, even Allah had said once in surah Al-Kafirun, the last verse.
"for you your religion, for me mine."
There's this sceptically feeling that most muslim acted badly towards others that make them feel as if
"its either you're a muslim, or you're an enemy''
OMG!!!
what is it yeah?
Pleasse.
For Ad-din.
Lets make the change, Insha-Allah.
Today, I got a chance to attend a debate between two great people, with undoubtedly abundant knowledge.
It was a debate between
Mr. Hamza Andreas Tzortzis. *click to see his blog*
(He is a senior researcher and lecturer for iERA. He has participated in debates both at home and internationally with leading academics and intellectuals. Hamza delivers lectures across the world to articulate and shed indispensable light on Islam and its way of life.)
and Mr. Rick Lewis
(he is the founder and editor of Philosophy Now, and thereby one of the main initiators of the popular philosophy movement in the English speaking world.)
It was indeed a very interesting session, which mostly talk about the definition of good deeds, who draws the line between good and evil etc.
It all starts with Mr Hamza making his opening speech, where he underlines 2 main points, which is
1.God make sense to the explanation of the origin of life
2.God make sense to the explanation og the fine tuning of life.
Infinity, a word which means no beginning nor ending, is according to him non-existence in this life. He starts off by giving an analogy to negate this fact, in order to show people that everything starts off with something.
He said,
''If I have an infinite number of bananas, and I give someone 2 bananas, what is the remaining bananas that I still have?''
"yeah, it doesn't make sense doesn't it? It only bananas to you right?"
and the hall broke into laughter.
Then he starts explaining the Big Bang Theory, which he claims to be VERY VERY magical, because of its rareness.
The probability of it happening is so low, that it must not happen by its own, there must be 'Someone' who make it happen.
Even according to him, a lot of scientist(he gave about 4-5 names really, but I can't remember any. lol~) said that even if the expansion rate of the matter after the Big Bang differ by 1/(10^10), (which really really small), the world will collapse and the living intelligent on this world will not exist.
Then there's lot of other points, (where I couldn't remember~~:p )
He did say things about everything must have its own purpose, causes etc.
Then it was Rick's turn.
He started off by questioning the definition of the word GOD itself.
It was indeed true what he said, where the definition of GOD is indeed very wide.
Sometimes, people believe that the nature itself as 'god'.
Then he starts questioning about the nature of God, what is HE like, what etc.
He even included the 'problem of evil.'
He also said something about
''I haven't found anything that cannot be described without believing in god''
*maksudnya, suma benda boleh explain even kalo kita tak kait kan dengan tuhan.*
and then he argued *this one aku tak berapa paham*
about the purpose of God creating the world.
He said, before the Big Bang Theory, there is no time.
*the definition of time: starts AFTER big bang.*
hence there should not be a ''cause'' for making the world, because causes must be followed by effects, which must be related to time."
But he DO have one very good point.
*he approximately said this one.*
Things right now as it happened, though the probability of it happening is mightily low, means that other events also can happen, no matter how low the probability is.
I mean the Earth, even by the slightest difference, might cause the human not compatible to live in it. But we never know, if the difference might suit other living organism.
Then they will say how precise 'god' is, though the fact it all happen randomly.
Then we all proceed to the Q&A session, where there is lots of hands raised to ask.
Here where it gets a lil' bit better I mean, only here I heard what I want to hear, because throughout the debate, both speakers never actually face-to-face with each other.
One person says about 1+1=2, the other said 5+2=7.
There was no direct contact really.
They were just arguing about definitions, epistemological, and then some other weird ''philosophical'' words.
No direct engagement with the content.
but during the Q&A, people asks, and then only it starts to be a bit exciting.
someone asked about islam, qoran etc.
someone else questions about atheism, etc.
then there were even an old lady who express her opinion about religion brings wars etc.
then there's a christian who wanted Mr Hamza to comment on the book of revelation etc.
all in all, the experience was amazing.
HOWEVER, there is something that I found uncomfortable though.
Its the fact that when it comes to talks as such, there will be A LOT of muslems, and we are the majority.
BUT that doesn't make us better.
I mean, a lot of people were giving gestures and scary look when Mr Rick talks.
I believe NO ONE can give a good talk when he is surrounded as such.
and then when there's this man claiming ''I am a christian, and I wanna......"
suddenly the crowd makes an uncomfortable sound.
WHAT IS THIS eh?
Fine we all believe in Allah, Alhamdulillah.
But WHY MUST WE sort of ''hate'' other people?
If they don't believe in what we do, stop hating them as such!
I mean, even Allah had said once in surah Al-Kafirun, the last verse.
"for you your religion, for me mine."
There's this sceptically feeling that most muslim acted badly towards others that make them feel as if
"its either you're a muslim, or you're an enemy''
OMG!!!
what is it yeah?
Pleasse.
For Ad-din.
Lets make the change, Insha-Allah.
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